Many moons ago when I was young product marketing manager, I heard a new VP of Marketing speak at a marketing all-hands meeting. He spoke with a kiwi accent and his name was Chris Greendale. What he said were six words that changed my career:
Marketing exists to make sales easier
While this has clearly been a theme in Kellblog posts over the years, I realized that I’ve actually never done a dedicated post on it, despite having written reductionist mission statement posts for both professional services (“maximize ARR without losing money”) and human resources (“help managers manage”).
Being a math type, I love deriving things from first principles and this seemed the perfect first principle from which to derive marketing. First, you hire a team to build your product. Then, you hire a team to sell it. The only reason you need marketing is to help the second team do its job better.
At my next job, I remember bumping into Larry, our fresh from the used-car lot VP of Business Development, who in frustration (as he often was), one day came to work with a bunch of t-shirts that looked something like this
Enterprise software is a two-engine plane and those two engines are quota-carrying salesreps (QCRs) who sell the software and storypoint-burning developers (DEVs) who write it .
Everyone else is “the help” — including marketing, finance, sales supporting roles (e.g., SCs, SDRs), engineering-supporting roles (e.g., QA, PM, TPM), customer service, and yes, the CEO. The faster you understand this, in my humble opinion, the better.
And, while we’re in realization mode, the other thing to internalize is that it costs about twice as much to sell an enterprise software product as it does to build it. Per KeyBanc, typical S&M spend is 45% of revenue and R&D runs about half that.
But back to the mantra, make sales easier. Why did I like it so much?
First, it put marketing in its proper place. At the time, there was something of a power struggle between sales and marketing, and CPG/brand management types were trying to argue that product marketing mangers should be the generals and that sales were just the foot-soldiers. Looking both around me and at the P&L that just seemed wrong. Maybe it worked in consumer products  but this was enterprise software. Sales had all the budget and all the power to go with it. We should help them and, ego aside, there’s nothing wrong with being a helper.
In fact, if you define your mission statement as “help” and remember that “help is defined in the mind of the recipient,” you’ve already gone a long way to aligning your sales and marketing.
Second, there was nothing written in stone that limited the scope of that help. Narrow thinking might limit marketing to a servile role. That’s not my intent. Help could take many forms, and while the primary form of requested help has evolved over time, help can include both the tactical and the strategic:
- Giving sales qualified leads to work on.
- Building training and tools that helps sales sell more.
- Providing competitive information that helps win more deals.
- Creating an ideal customer profile (ICP) that helps sales focus on the most winnable deals.
- Building industry-specific messaging that helps sell in given verticals
- Working with PM  to build product that is inherently more salable .
- Corporate strategy development to put the company in the right markets with the right offerings.
When I say help, I don’t mean lowercase-h tactical help. I mean help in all its forms, which can and should include the “tough love” form of help: “I know you think you want that, but let me demonstrate that I’ve heard your request and now explain why I think it’s not a good idea.”
Being helpful doesn’t mean saying yes to everything. I hearken back to Miracle on 34th Street whenever I’m drawn into this problem (quote adapted):
Kris Kringle: No, but don’t you see, dear? Some <salespeople> wish for things they couldn’t possibly use like real locomotives or B-29s.
If sales is asking you for a real locomotive or a B-29 you need to tell them.
For the rest of my marketing career, I took Greendale’s mantra and made it my own. If sales were my customer and I were helping them, then:
- We’d run sales satisfaction surveys to see how happy sales was with marketing and where they wanted us to invest and improve .
- We’d make ourselves accountable. One of the biggest stresses in the sales/marketing relationship was, to paraphrase an old joke, sales felt like the pig while marketing was the chicken. We’d publish objectives, measure ourselves, and be honest about hits and misses.
- We’d bring data to the party. We’d leverage syndicated and custom research to try and made data-driven as opposed to opinion-driven decisions.
- We’d stop back-seat drivers. I’d remind anyone that got too uppity that “quotas are available” and they should go take one .
- We wouldn’t be the marketing police, scolding people for using out-of-date materials. If sales were using a deck we’d decommissioned quarters ago, our first response wouldn’t be “stop!” but “why?”
- We’d market marketing. We’d devote some time to internal marketing to let the sales organization know what we were doing and why.
We’d even do something that tested the limits of HR (particularly when I was in France). I’d use the sales satisfaction survey to rank every customer-facing marketer on a matrix.
This gave me hard data on who sales knew in the department and what they thought of them. If we’re going to make messaging for sales to present to customers, we’d better prepared to — and be good at — presenting it ourselves .
Overall, the mantra served me well, taking me from product marketing director to VP of product marketing to VP of corporate marketing to overall VP of marketing and a great run at Business Objects. I’ve had plenty of people challenge me on it over the years — usually it’s because they understand it as purely tactical. But it’s served me well and I encourage you to use it as your North Star in leading your marketing team.
After all, who doesn’t like help?
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 You’d be wise to add those two figures to your one-page key metrics. Somehow it’s always easier to hire the supporting staff than the “engine” staff, so keep an eye on the raw numbers of QCRs and DEVs and, for more fun, track their density in their respective organizations (QCRs/sales and DEVs/eng).
 Shout out to my daughter Stephanie who works in brand management on a consumer product and who can now inform me directly of how things work in that world — and it is different.
 PM = product management.
 Either in the sense of better solves the problem or in the tactical sense of wipes out competitive differentiation.
 One of my favorite results was the sales and SCs often wanted exactly the same thing, but that sales wanted it more (i.e., roughly the same priority curve but sales would rank everything even more important than the SCs).
 Most didn’t, but a few did, and some did remarkably well.
 We were probably a $100M company around the time we started this, so I’m not suggesting it for a 2-PMM startup. And yes, I’d put myself on the matrix as well.
The marketing personnel matrix is brutal but brilliant. Everything here is unpopular and controversial… but only to those out of the top right quadrant. The best marketers I know celebrate the chicken/pig analogy. Storytelling is art and sales is war. Artists rarely make great soldiers. Wisdom as always on ye olde Kellblog.
After you introduced me to it, I always challenge my guys during their first month, to position themselves on the 4-Quadrant Customer Facing Marketing Personnel Matrix. By definition in the first month you start out in the lower left quadrant. I use your same unknowns, secrets, and stars semantics but for the lower right quadrant, instead of problems, the label is “time to start looking for a new job.” Not that I’m necessarily going to fire anyone, but it is a bad fit if a marketing employee wants to be customer facing, but the sales guys don’t want that. Time for this employee to pivot to digital marketing or become an analytics maven or marketing ops, or something else.
Wow, I never knew you embraced the concept. I had a Twitter thread with the old gang discussing where they placed. And I like your “maybe a non-customer facing marketing role” interpretation of lower right. Everybody knows they don’t want you on a sales call is not necessarily a career death sentence, but perhaps a career pivot opportunity. Do you put yourself on it, too?
Thought-provoking stuff. Do you see any other roles for marketing? For example, around employee advocacy and brand building?
Brand building, for sure — it definitely helps make sales easier. Employee advocacy more HR/People org imho, though marketing company culture can be a part of that and I’m in favor of that.
Great post as usual Dave. What happens then in low-touch SaaS models, when there’s a sign-up, free trial and even credit card for self-service customer journey?
In effect, marketing is making sales easier by basically making the sale! They should be deeply involved (and using data to research) how to improve trial effectiveness, product design, so the trial sells the product. In some ways, it’s a corner case of making sales easier, which is making sales, if you know what I mean. So they effort would be on getting people to the trial page, getting them to engage in the trial, and having the software guide them to a successful trial experience. While there are cases of this in enterprise software (e.g., Atlassian), I’d say the more typical model is to drive bottom-up trial and adoption followed by a sales person coming in to sell the enterprise edition, do an enterprise license, etc.
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Do you have any more posts on this subject? This was really useful
The #marketing tag is probably the best way to find them. https://kellblog.com/category/marketing/
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I’m a bit slow here, on the horizontal axis, awareness of what by whom exactly…?
X axis = awareness = have you heard of product marketer
. Y axis = perception = would you want to take them on a sales call. Asked of people who go on sales calls, sales, and I can’t remember but probably SEs as well, i.e., product marketing’s internal customer.
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