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SaaS Product Power Breakfast 4/22/21 with Norwest Partner Scott Beechuk

Thomas Otter and I are having a great time running our series of enterprise SaaS Product Power Breakfasts on Clubhouse on Thursdays at 8:00 AM Pacific time.

Thus far, we’ve had sessions with guests:  Thomas; Dave; former Hyperion, Oracle and Planful EPM product leader Mark Bauer; and former Oracle and Salesforce product leader and Skyflow founder and CEO Anshu Sharma.

In response to both our experience and listener requests, we’re now starting to conceptualize these sessions as “podcasts recorded in front of a live studio audience” so we can get the best of both live audience engagement and Internet-scale reach.  Ergo, we should shortly (hopefully starting with Anshu’s episode) be posting (potentially lightly edited) recordings of the sessions in podcast form.  More later on that.

Which brings us to our next session, 4/22/21 at 8:00 AM Pacific,  where we’ll be interviewing special guest, entrepreneur, ex-Salesforce product leader turned venture capitalist, Scott Beechuk, of Norwest Venture Partners.  Scott and I worked together at Salesforce almost a decade ago and work together today with Bluecore.  This should be a great session!

Areas that we plan to touch on:

  • What VCs look for in product teams
  • How to hire top product talent
  • How to accelerate the roadmap
  • How Scott made the transition from product leader to venture capitalist
  • What Scott takes from the world of music to the world of product

Product Power Breakfast: Mark Bauer on Product Management in Early vs. Late-Stage Companies and More

Join Thomas Otter and me for Product Power Breakfast #3 this Thursday, April 8th at 8am on Clubhouse.

Our special guest is Mark Bauer, a career product leader who started on the end-user side as a business planner at Pepsi, flipped to the vendor side at OLAP category creator Arbor Software, which was acquired by Hyperion Solutions which in turn was acquired by Oracle, and then quit a perfectly good job at Oracle to do it all over again as one of the earliest employees at Host Analytics.

In the middle of Mark’s tenure at Host, he took a sabbatical to lead a non-profit (LaunchCode) which provides free education to help people launch their careers in technology.

So Mark really has  done it all:  from Pepsi to Oracle, from behemoths to ten-person startups, from category leaders to category creators, from corporates to non-profits, Mark’s been there and done that.

In this episode, Dave and Thomas will talk to Mark about topics including:

  • What makes for success in product management?
  • Scaling an organization with proper PM ratios
  • The biggest differences between PM at small and large companies
  • Working effectively with offshore development and PM teams
  • Difference he’s seen in PM across different countries (e.g., US, India, Israel, UK)
  • How to best serve the constituents of PM?
  • Inbound vs. outbound PM?
  • Maybe we’ll even sneak in a conversation about technical debt

I look forward to seeing you there!

Quick Takeaways From our Second Product Power Breakfast

Thanks to those who joined us for the second session in our enterprise SaaS Product Power Breakfast series, Thursdays at 8AM.  The link to our third session is here.


  • Dave shouldn’t use airpods (and won’t henceforth).  And we need to follow mute/unmute protocol better as these devices pick up the slightest noise and jam the audio of the speaker.
  • We covered what I see as the number one risk in product management as expressed by the all too frequent epitaph:  “they weren’t strategic.”  That is, in their quest to keep everyone happy too many PM leaders end up steadily advancing in small increments across a broad front.  In their effort to keep everyone happy, they make no one happy.
  • We discussed the bicycle wheel problem in PM:  the PM sits at the center of a wheel with lots of spokes and hardest part of the job is managing the pull from each of them.  Spokes, e.g., include:  sales/AEs, sales/SEs, product marketing, analyst relations, customer success, customer support, professional services, existing customers, prospective customers, the CTO, engineering (e.g., technical debt), and more.
  • We had a great discussion of technical debt and types of it:  platform-driven (e.g., built on an outdated one), shortcut-driven (e.g., deliberately took shortcuts), architectural (e.g., designed it the wrong way, overlooked redundancy), and execution-driven (e.g., wrote bad code).
  • We touched on the notion of internal platform, a topic worth a session in its own right.
  • We discussed technical debt vs. legacy code.  (See this for a great discussion of the latter.)  We discussed legacy org vs. legacy code (i.e., with a legacy org there’s little point in refactoring legacy code as you’re likely to repeat the same mistakes).
  • We touched on Trust Releases as a great strategy for managing technical debt, and the role of architects in them.
  • We talked a bit about the challenges involved in adding a second product — a topic large enough to warrant a future session on the transition and associated pitfalls, or as Thomas calls it, the (perilous) second album problem.
  • We discussed the difference between existing core product, new potential core product and bright shiny object (BSO) product/features designed to keep the company at the front of the industry conversation.
  • We discussed strategic vs. opportunistic customers and the CEO’s ability to force sales to “sell what’s on the truck,” particularly to opportunistic customers — if it’s a clearly expressed and enforced ground rule.
  • We (barely) touched on the concept of “holistic PM” and why/how PMs should avoid becoming feature addicts and think of themselves more as GMs, even if the company is years away from having an actual GM structure.

We hope to see you on session 3, Thursday, April 8th, and 8AM Pacific.

Quick Takeaways From our First Product Power Breakfast: Dave Interviews Thomas

Here’s a quick post to share my takeaways from our first enterprise SaaS Product Power Breakfast on Clubhouse.

My Thoughts
Clubhouse is definitely a new medium.  When it comes to new media, I always think two things:

  • The medium is the message and all that Marshall McLuhan’s pithy quote implies.
  • Look for differences, not similarities.  (Saying “Clubhouse is like talk radio” is the same as saying “Twitter is like group text messaging.”  Yes and no, but mostly no.)

Special guest Jason Lemkin was a Tasmanian Devil who — while he blew up my carefully planned structure (think: Eisenhower on planning) — left in his wake a slew of super interesting questions; I literally didn’t sleep well that evening because my head was still spinning.  

Thus, overall I’d give the session an A for thought-provocation and a C for structure.  But we’re new to the medium, trying to figure it out, and serendipity is definitely part of the equation.

Questions Provoked, Topics for Future Discussion

  • To what extent should we talk to startups and founders versus large enterprise product managers (PMs)?
  • How valid is commonality-spotting across unicorns (the spotting is subjective and are the commonalities valid drivers or rabbit’s feet)?
  • The age-old question of how to measure engineering productivity?  Can it even be done?  Is it worth trying?
  • Are story points a valid productivity measure or are they counting angels on pinheads?
  • How can PM avoid being drawn and quartered?  (And how can PM avoid drawing and quartering engineering?)
  • Is product-led growth (PLG) a strategy that must be taken in entirety or can you take a dab of this and that?
  • How can PM best make its voice heard and best work with sales?
  • How to cater between the trend-seeking “new black” and the lasting-principles-seeking crowd (e.g., Crystal Reports was the original PLG company in my curmudgeonly humble opinion)?

In terms of session focus, I’d say my current conclusion is that we want to make each session follow this sort of template:  Dave & Thomas Interview {Guest} on {Topic}.

Oh, and by the way, we probably need to re-run a session where Dave actually interviews Thomas!

See you Thursday at 8 am for session number 2!  If you need a Clubhouse invite, email or message me.

Product Power Breakfast: Thomas Interviews Dave

(TLDR — Link to Episode #2, Thursday, April 1st at 8 am pacific.)

Well, we just finished the first episode (“Dave interviews Thomas“) of our Enterprise SaaS Product Power Breakfast series and wow, was it crazy.  In addition to our regularly scheduled interview on product management with Thomas, we had:

  • A guest appearance from the ever-brilliant Jason Lemkin, EchoSign founder, VC, and creator of SaaStr — thanks for coming!
  • A surprise cameo from Dharmesh Shah, cofounder and CTO of HubSpot (who I think Jason pulled up [1]) — thanks for coming!

While it was definitely a romp in terms of structure (or lack thereof), it was high energy, full of great content, and fun.

So, we’re going to try it again next week with Episode #2:  Thomas Interviews Dave. Topics on the agenda include:  product management, product strategy, product positioning, and product roadmaps.

Maybe he can control the room better than I did.  See you there!

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[1] I was following the “it can’t be that Dharmesh” and the “let celebrities be audience members in peace” principles.