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Are We Due for a SaaSacre?

I was playing around on the enterprise comps [1] section of Meritech‘s website today and a few of the charts I found caught my attention.  Here’s the first one, which shows the progression of the EV/NTM revenue multiple [2] for a set of 50+ high-growth SaaS companies over the past 15 or so years [3].

meritech saas multiples

While the green line (equity-value-weighted [4]) is the most dramatic, the one I gravitate to is the blue line:  the median EV/NTM revenue multiple.  Looking at the blue line, you can see that while it’s pretty volatile, eyeballing it, I’d say it normally runs in the range between 5x and 10x.  Sometimes (e.g., 2008) it can get well below 5x.  Sometimes (e.g., in 2013) it can get well above 10x.  As of the last data point in this series (7/14/20) it stood at 13.8x, down from an all-time high of 14.9x.  Only in 2013 did it get close to these levels.

If you believe in regression to the mean [5], that means you believe the multiples are due to drop back to the 5-10 range over time.  Since mean reversion can come with over-correction (e.g., 2008, 2015) it’s not outrageous to think that multiples could drop towards the middle or bottom of that range, i.e., closer to 5 than 10 [6].

Ceteris paribus, that means the potential for a 33% to 66% downside in these stocks. It also suggests that — barring structural change [7] that moves baseline multiples to a different level — the primary source of potential upside in these stocks is not continued multiple expansion, but positive NTM revenue surprises [8].

I always love Rule of 40 charts, so the next fun chart that caught my eye was this one.  meritech r40 score While this chart doesn’t speak to valuations over time, it does speak to the relationship between a company’s Rule of 40 Score and its EV/NTM revenue multiple.  Higher valuations primarily just shift the Y axis, as they have done here, uplifting the maximum Y-value by nearly three times since I last blogged about such a chart [9].  The explanatory power of the Rule of 40 in explaining valuation multiple is down since I last looked, by about half from an R-squared of 0.58 to 0.29.  Implied ARR growth alone has a higher explanatory power (0.39) than the Rule of 40.

To me, this all suggests that in these frothy times, the balance of growth and profit (which is what Rule of 40 measures) matters less than other factors, such as growth, leadership, scarcity value and hype, among others.

Finally, to come back to valuation multiples, let’s look at a metric that’s new to me, growth-adjusted EV/R multiples.

meritech r40 growth adjusted

I’ve seen growth-adjusted price/earnings ratios (i.e., PEG ratios) before, but I’ve not seen someone do the same thing with EV/R multiples.  The basic idea is to normalize for growth in looking at a multiple, such as P/E or — why not — EV/R.  For example, Coupa, trading at (a lofty) 40.8x EV/R is growing at 21%, so divide 40.8 by 21 to get 1.98x.  Zoom, by comparison looks to be similarly expensive at 38.3x EV/R but is growing at 139%, so divide 38.3 by 139 to get 0.28x, making Zoom a relative bargain when examined in this light [10].

This is a cool metric.  I like financial metrics that normalize things [11].  I’m surprised I’ve not seen someone do it to EV/R ratios before.  Here’s an interesting observation I just made using it:

  • To the extent a “cheap” PE firm might pay 4x revenues for a company growing 20%, they are buying in at a 0.2 growth-adjusted EV/R ratio.
  • To the extent a “crazy” VC firm might pay 15x revenues for a company growing at 75%, they are buying in at a 0.2 growth-adjusted EV/R ratio.
  • The observant reader may notice they are both paying the same ratio for growth-adjusted EV/R. Given this, perhaps the real difference isn’t that one is cheap and the other free-spending, but that they pay the same for growth while taking on very different risk profiles.

The other thing the observant reader will notice is that in both those pseudo-random yet nevertheless realistic examples, the professionals were paying 0.2.  The public market median today is 0.7.

See here for the original charts and data on the Meritech site.

Disclaimer:  I am not a financial analyst and do not make buy/sell recommendations.  I own positions in a wide range of public and private technology companies.  See complete disclaimers in my FAQ.

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Notes 
[1] Comps = comparables.

[2] EV/NTM Revenue = enterprise value / next twelve months revenue, a so-called “forward” multiple.

[3] Per the footer, since Salesforce’s June, 2004 IPO.

[4] As are most stock indexes. See here for more.

[5] And not everybody does.  People often believe “this time it’s different” based on irrational folly, but sometimes this time really is different (e.g., structural change).  For example, software multiples have structurally increased over the past 20 years because the underlying business model changed from one-shot to recurring, ergo increasing the value of the revenue.

[6] And that’s not to mention external risk factors such as pandemic or election uncertainty.  Presumably these are already priced into the market in some way, but changes to how they are priced in could result in swings either direction.

[7] You might argue a scarcity premium for such leaders constitutes a form of structural change. I’m sure there are other arguments as well.

[8] To the extent a stock price is determined by some metric * some multiple, the price goes up either due to increasing the multiple (aka, multiple expansion) or increasing the metric (or both).

[9] While not a scientific way to look at this, the last time I blogged on a Rule of 40 chart, the Y axis topped out at 18x, with the highest data point at nearly 16x.  Here the Y axis tops out at 60x, with the highest data point just above 50x.

[10] In English, to the extent you’re paying for EV/R multiple in order to buy growth, Zoom buys you 7x more growth per EV/R point than Coupa.

[11] As an operator, I don’t like compound operational metrics because you need to un-tangle them to figure out what to fix (e.g., is a broken LTV/CAC due to LTV or CAC?), but as investor I like compound metrics as much as the next person.

 

Is Another SaaSacre In The Offing?

I’m not a financial analyst and I don’t make stock recommendations [1], but as a participant and observer in the software investing ecosystem, I do keep an eye on macro market parameters and I read a fair bit of financial analyst research.  Once in an while, I comment on what I’m seeing.

In February 2016, I wrote two posts (SaaS Stocks:  How Much Punishment is in Store and The SaaSacre Part II:  Time for the Rebound?).  To remind you how depressed SaaS stocks were back then:

  • Workday was $49/share, now at $192
  • Zendesk was $15/share, now at $85
  • ServiceNow was $47/share, now at $247
  • Salesforce was $56/share, now at $160

Those four stocks are up 342% over the past 3 years and two months.  More broadly, the Bessemer Emerging Cloud Index is up 385% over the same period.  Given the increase, a seemingly frothy market for stocks (P/E of the S&P 500 at ~21), and plenty of global geopolitical and economic uncertainty, the question is whether there is another SaaSacre (rhymes with massacre) in the not-too-distant future?

Based just on gut feel, I would say yes.  (Hence my Kellblog prediction that markets would be choppy in 2019.)  But this morning, I saw a chart in a Cowen report that helped bring some data to the question:

cowen

I wish we had a longer time period to look at, but the data is still interesting.  The chart plots enterprise value (EV) divided by next twelve month (NTM) sales.  As a forward multiple, it’s already more aggressive than a trailing twelve month (TTM) multiple because revenue is growing (let’s guess 25% to 30% across the coverage universe), thus the multiple gets deflated when looking forward as opposed to back.

That said, let’s look at the shape of the curve.  When I draw a line through 7x, it appears to me that about half the chart is above the line and half below, so let’s guesstimate that median multiple during the period is 7x.  If you believe in regression to the mean, you should theoretically be a bearish when stocks are trading above the median and bullish when they’re below.

Because the average multiple line is pretty thick, it’s hard to see where exactly it ends, but it looks like 8.25x to me.  That means today’s multiples are “only” 18% above the median [2].  That’s good news, in one sense, as my gut was that it would be higher.  The bad news is:  (1) when things correct they often don’t simply drop to the line but well through it and (2) if anything happens to hurt the anticipated sales growth, the EV/NTM-sales multiple goes up at constant EV because  NTM-sales goes down.  Thus there’s kind of a double whammy effect because lower future anticipated growth increases multiples at a time when the multiples themselves want to be decreasing.

This is a long way of saying, in my opinion, as a chartist [3] using this chart, I would conclude that multiples are somewhat frothy, about 20% above the median, with a lot predicated on future growth.

This exercise shows that looking only at price appreciation presents a more dangerous-looking picture than looking at prices as related to revenues:  looking across the whole chart, prices are up a lot since April 2014 but so are forward-looking revenues, and the multiple is roughly the same at the start as at the end:  8x. [4]  Looking at things differently, of the ~350% gain since April 2016, half is due to multiple expansion (from a way-below-median ~4x to an above-median ~8x), and half is to stock revenue growth.

For me, when I look at overall markets (e.g., PE of the S&P), geopolitical uncertainty, price appreciation, and SaaS multiples, I still feel like taking a conservative position.  But somewhat less than so than before I saw this chart.  While it’s totally subjective:  SaaS is less frothy than I thought when looking only at price appreciation.

Switching gears, the same Cowen report had a nice rule of 40 chart that I thought I’d share as well:

r40 cowen

Since the R^2 is only 0.32, I continue to wonder if you’d get a higher R^2 using only revenue growth as opposed to rule of 40 score on the X axis.  For more on this topic, see my other Rule of 40 posts here.

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Notes
[1] See disclaimers in my FAQ and terms of use in the blog license agreement.

[2] Nevertheless, 18% is a lot to lose if multiples instantly reset to the median.  (And they often don’t just drop to the median, but break well through it — e.g., in Jan 2016, they were as low as 4x.)

[3] And chartism doesn’t work.

[4] If you ignore most of the first month where it appeared to be falling from 10x to 8x.

The SaaSacre Part II: Time for the Rebound?

In response to my post, SaaS Stocks:  How Much Punishment is in Store, a few of my banker friends have sent me over some charts and data which shine more light on the points I was trying to make about SaaS forward twelve month (FTM) enterprise value (EV) revenue multiples, normal trading ranges, and the apparent “floor” value for this metric.

This chart comes from the folks at Pacific Crest:

paccrest saas multiples

In English, it says that SaaS stocks are trading at an EV/FTM revenue multiple of 3.2, 35% below the average since 2005, and down 66% since the peak in Jan 2014.  It also shows the apparent floor at around 2.0x, which they dipped below only once in the past decade during the crisis of 2008.

This is not to say that Wall Street doesn’t over-correct, that a new floor value could not be established, or that cuts in revenue forecasts due to macroeconomics couldn’t cause significant valuation drops at a constant, in-range EV/FTM ratio.

It is to say that, given historical norms, if you believe in reversion to the mean and that FTM revenue forecasts will not be materially reduced, that we are in “buying opportunity” territory.   The question is then which sentiment will win out in the market.

  • Fear of a potential 30% drop before hitting the floor value, breaking through the floor value, or cuts in FTM revenue forecasts.
  • Greed and the opportunity to get a nearly 50% return in a simple reversion to the mean.

My quick guess is more fear short-term, followed by some healthy greed winning out after that.

Might we see a temporary dead cat bounce before a further sell-off?  Maybe.  Should we remember the Wall Street maxim about catching falling knives?  Yes.

But at the same time remember that mixed in among the inflated, private, unicorn wreckage, that we have some high-quality, public, recurring-revenue companies trading at what’s starting to approach decades-low multiples.  At some point, that will become a real opportunity.

Disclaimers
See my FAQ for disclaimers and more background information.  I am not a financial analyst and I do not make stock recommendations.  I am simply a CEO sharing his experience and opinion which, as my wife will happily attest, is often incorrect.

SaaS Stocks: How Much Punishment is in Store?

The stock market feels like Nordstrom Rack these days:

  • Salesforce at $56/share
  • Tableau at $38/share
  • ServiceNow at $47/share
  • Zendesk at $15/share
  • Workday at $49/share
  • NetSuite at $54/share

Redpoint’s Tomasz Tunguz points out that SaaS forward revenue multiples have been more than cut in half, dropping from 7.7 in January 2014 to 3.3 today.

So where’s it all going to end?  Much as the P/E  of the S&P 500 tends to converge to around 15 over time, I have always felt that quality on-premises enterprise software companies converged to a valuation of 2.0 to 3.0x revenues and there was a floor around 1.0x revenues.  That’s not to say that Wall St doesn’t over-correct and you’d never see on-premises valuations less than 1.0x revenues — but that should be rare and anything less 2.0x could indicate a good buying opportunity and anything near 1.0x — for a healthy company — could mean a real bottom-fishing opportunity.

The question is what are the equivalent numbers for SaaS companies?  I think the norm range is 3.0 to 5.0x revenues and I think the floor is around 2.0x.  That would suggest that in a bad case — despite all the recent carnage — there’s still 30% downside potential in SaaS stocks.  And that’s not including the case where you think we’re in a macroeconomic situation such that the forward four-quarter revenue estimates drop, which would mean more downside potential on top of that.

But I do think at 3.3x, we are now near the bottom-end of the norm range so the question is which sentiment is going to win out in the market:

  • Fear of the 30%+ remaining downside potential in SaaS stocks
  • Greed to capture the potential 50%+ return of a SaaS bounce back to the mid/high-end of the range.

I’d speculate on more fear in the short-term followed by some nice greed in the mid-term.

See my subsequent post, the SaaSacre part II for more in this vein.

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See my disclaimers:  I am not a financial analyst and I do not make recommendations on specific stocks.  The purpose of this post was to share my non-scientific rule of thumb for SaaS trading ranges and do some analysis based on that.