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Your ICP Starts as an Aspiration and Becomes a Regression

The concept of an ideal customer profile (ICP) has been around for a long time, but like its cousin, the minimum viable product (MVP), it is often misunderstood. In this post, I’ll offer some background commentary on the ICP concept and then build into one of my favorite sayings: your ICP starts out as an aspiration and becomes a regression.

There are four common questions around ICPs. Here they are, along with my answers:

  • Is the ICP about a person or a firm? Both. It should include firmographic as well as role (or persona) information. Example: VPs of sales at technology companies between $500M and $2B in revenues. Here, we included the size and industry of the company along with the target buyer’s title.
  • Should an ICP include a problem to be solved? Yes. VPs of sales have lots of different problems from recruiting to training to pipeline management to forecasting, just to name a few. Thus, your ICP should include the ideal person at the ideal company and the problem you’re looking to solve for them.
  • Should the ICP include adjacent systems? Yes. Deciding at the outset if you want to focus on customers using specific, adjacent systems is often critical (e.g., NetSuite vs. Oracle vs. Xero for core financials, Salesforce vs. HubSpot for CRM). The alternative is drowning in integration work while never having the time to support the idiosyncrasies of a given package which, when you do it, is usually adored by customers.
  • Should an ICP include sales qualification criteria? No. The ICP is about the buyer: this is the person we’re looking for. They have this job at this kind of company. Whether they’re out shopping right now, whether they have budget, whether they have a buying timeframe and purchasing authority are all important qualification questions, but they are not part of the ICP itself. People differ on this, I know [1].

Because the world is imperfect and it’s difficult to find “Mr. or Ms. Right” every time, it’s useful to think of the ICP as a bullseye. The absolute perfect customer is in ring 0, the next level off in ring 1, after that ring 2, et cetera. Note that I have no religion about the things you vary across the rings, but the usual candidates are: job title, industry, size, adjacent systems, and problem (aka use-case). And you might do them in unusual combinations. For example, if you think a director of finance with a budgeting problem is about as good as a manager of finance at a bigger company with an operational reporting problem, then you can put them both in ring 2.

The idea is to give you a simple and flexible model to agree on who to target and who to prioritize across sales, marketing, and product.

For a zero-to-one startup, you might focus exclusively on ring 0. As you grow you will typically get more use-cases, more industries, more adjacent systems, and thus more rings. That’s fine as long as you’re defining the rings clearly and triaging them into: hot pursue, pursue, and slow-roll or some similar encoding system.

With a few clearly established tiers you are now ready to report on ARR and pipeline by ICP tier to see if “you’re walking the talk” when it comes to your ICP. At many companies, you will find the majority of the ARR and pipeline [2] outside ring 2 or 3. In these cases, you simply aren’t living your ICP and instead suffering from a faux focus. The usual cause is an inability to control the sales force and prevent their default “chase anything” behavior [3].

The ICP is typically born in the founder’s head as an hypothesis. Think: I bet if we can build something like this, it will solve a problem like that. By the time a company has been founded and a product built, it becomes an aspiration. Think: I want to sell to people like this to solve a problem like that. So you sharpen your definitions of this and that, and add some additional targeting criteria like company size, industry, or adjacent systems. And then you go off and sell.

Let’s say it works. One day you look up and you’re now $50M or $100M in ARR. Congratulations. Should your ICP still be an intuition-driven aspiration? No. It should be a regression. Reality happened. Let’s find out what reality is telling us.

Are the people in our ICP ring 0 really our best customers?

Well, what do we mean by best? Do they have higher ASPs? Do they have shorter sales cycles? Do they renew at higher rates? Do they expand at higher rates (e.g., NRR)? Do we win new deals at higher rates? Do they give us higher CSAT scores?

At the first order, these are all just simple segmented metrics calculations that you can and should do. Your QBR and board decks should show these key metrics segmented by ICP tier [4]. And — since not all these metrics can be important — your e-team also needs to have the conversation about “what do we mean by best” so you can have a common, precise definition of the “best” customers that you are trying to target [5].

But the best answers to these questions are not performed using segment analysis [6]. Segment analysis is great for finding anomalies — e.g., why do we have a higher win rate in ICP tier 3 than tier 1? But it’s not a great technique for actually finding the impact of different variables on the success criteria.

For that, we need regression analysis. Regression analysis will tell us which variables most strongly correlate with the outcomes we want (e.g., that the strongest predictor of renewal is company size, not CSAT) [7]. A good regression analysis will tell you not only which factors most correlate with the outcome, but it can also be the best way to bucket those variables (e.g., the real breakpoint is at 250 employees, but your initial segment went from 0 to 500).

Odds are, when we do this kind of analysis we’ll find lots of surprises. Some of your intuition will be proven correct, but some won’t. And you’ll likely find entirely new variables (e.g., number of data scientists) that you didn’t even consider in your initial ICP exercises.

So this is why I like to say that your ICP starts as an aspiration — about who you want to sell to — and over time becomes a regression. Because one day you will have lots of data to analyze to determine who your best customers are — subject to your definition of best, of course — as opposed to who you thought they would be.

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Notes

[1] Regardless of where you land at least be aware there are two types of criteria: those that change slowly or not at all (e.g., company size, adjacent systems, industry) and those that can change overnight (e.g., out shopping, budget, authority). My analogy here is dating: you can meet the right person at the wrong time. It doesn’t change the fact that they’re the right person. (And that’s why God made nurture tracks.)

[2] Think of pipeline as a potential leading indicator of ARR. Well, it should be, at least.

[3] Using the ICP in territory and compensation plan definitions can help with that. Think: you only earn commissions on customers in ICP rings 1 through 3 within your geographic territory. That will get your sellers’ attention.

[4] Note that I’m kind of using ICP tier and ring synonomously here and that’s generally OK. However, in cases where you have lots of rings, I would then sort those rings into tiers, so ring is the more specific and tier the more general term. For me, because I like simplicity, I want to see ICP segmentation in at most 3-4 buckets, so if there are N rings underlying those, I’d prefer to hide those by using 3-4 tiers.

[5] You probably don’t want marketing targeting high LTV prospects when sales wants to target high win rate ones. We should all be on the same targeting page.

[6] One of the key problems being that the segments themselves were somewhat arbitrarily chosen. Sure, we did our best to guess who’d be our best customers. But who are they actually? We may have used not only the wrong bucket boundaries (e.g., 100 emps vs. 500 emps) but even the wrong dimensions (e.g., maybe company size is a poor predictor and industry or use-case a powerful one).

[7] I cheated here on purpose to see if you were paying attention. Thus far, we’ve largely said the ICP is about a company (firmographics) and a role/persona. But here I’ve said that company size is a better predictor or renewal than CSAT — and CSAT isn’t a ICP-style criteria. The reality is these tools can do precisely that, looking across a wide range of input variables to see which most influence the output. Obviously, for marketing targeting purposes we don’t want CSAT to be an input variable to the model, but for renewals analysis we sure would.

The Ten Most Read Kellblog Posts in 2024

It’s always fun to go back and look at my stats, and my best-of page (which amazingly came in at #11) is getting sufficiently long that I need to find additional summarization mechanisms.

So this year, I thought I’d share the top-ten Kellblog posts of 2024 (year to date) regardless of the year in which they were written.

  1. Kellblog predictions for 2024. My tenth annual predictions post topped the list. I’m already working on my 2025 predictions which I hope to publish before the end of December.
  2. What it really means to be a manager, director, or VP. Written in 2015, this continues to be a top post every year and, as a result, is the all-time #1 Kellblog post.
  3. The top 7 marketing metrics for a QBR or board meeting. A 2023 post I wrote after a friend asked: “blank slate, what 5 metrics would you present to the board?” I cheated and did 7.
  4. The key to dealing with senior executives: answer the question. Another perennial favorite, this 2012 post is the one people mention to me the most. Think: “I forwarded that to my team!”
  5. The one question to ask before blowing up your customer success team. The first 2024 post on the list, I wrote this to encourage people to take a minute before Slootmanizing their CS department.
  6. Demystifying the growth-adjusted enterprise value to revenue multiple. This 2024 post explains the metric and, in a quest for syllabic parsimony, suggests naming it the ERG ratio, after the PEG ratio.
  7. Go-to-market troubleshooting, let’s take it from the top. If you’re chronically missing new bookings plan, then read this 2024 post and listen to the SaaS Talk episode that covers it.
  8. Target pipeline coverage is not the inverse of win rate. I saw one too many people invert their win rate to set pipeline coverage targets and wrote this 2024 post to show them the error of their ways.
  9. Simplifiers go far, complexifiers get stuck. This classic from 2015 starts with a poignant joke. Question: What does a complexifier call a simplifier? Answer: Boss. Learn why by reading it.
  10. Playing to win vs. playing to make plan: the two very different worlds of Silicon Valley. This 2024 post explores how the valley has fractured into somewhat distinct VC- and PE-backed worlds.

Keep an eye out for my 2025 predictions later this month. And thanks for reading.

Video of My Appearance with Jason Lemkin on SaaStr Workshop Wednesdays

Last Wednesday I had the pleasure of sitting down for a 50-minute chat with SaaStr founder Jason Lemkin as part of their Workshop Wednesdays program.

Our ostensible topic was What Really Matters in SaaS in 2025, but we ended up having a wide ranging and fast-paced conversation about many things, including:

  • Will 2025 be the year of IPOs for PE-backed companies?
  • What metrics are PE sponsors looking for in mid-market software acquisitions?
  • What’s happened historically to the IPO bar, i.e., the minimum size you need to go public, and where is it today?
  • Are PE firms looking for fixer-uppers or already-fixed businesses?
  • Jason’s rule of 20/30/0 = to get PE interest, you need $20M in ARR, 30%+ growth, and 0% cash flow
  • How to get a strategic multiple from a PE firm?
  • A discussion of Andy Wilson‘s successful exit at Logickull where Jason was an investor and I was an advisor.
  • What will be the impact of AI on SaaS budgets? (Here, we discuss some data from the Battery report on State of Enterprise Technology Spending.)
  • How to target and win “experimental AI budget” (that is out there and in no short supply)?
  • How some customer success orgs lost the plot, and became too focused on process (e.g., QBRs) and not enough on sales and renewals.
  • My rule of 30: that expansion ARR should be 30% of new ARR, roughly. Too high and you’re milking the base, and too low and you’re ignoring it
  • Why I love the healthy tension between sales and customer success when they are separated
  • What a “slug” or “zombie” company should do if you’re $15M and growing at 15%
  • Should companies lead or follow on pricing models? (We both firmly believe in using the same pricing model as the leaders in your sector unless you are a pricing model disruptor.)

Here’s the video. Thanks to Jason for a great conversation.

The Impact of AI on Go-To-Market: Slides from my Balderton Event

Last week I hosted an event at the Balderton Capital London headquarters discussing the impact of AI on go-to-market (GTM) functions. The event was inspired by two things:

  • My aborted attempt to write an AI GTM guide, after I realized just how huge the space was and how fast it was changing. I quickly understood it’d take too long to write and it would be out of date the second it was published. But the exercise nevertheless got me started researching AI and GTM.
  • The following slide from Battery Ventures that I discussed in my 2024 predictions post. This slide argues that, thanks to AI-driven productivity improvement, you should be able to drive the same quota with a 75-person organization that previously required a 110-person organization. This got me thinking: boards are going to start asking about that 30% productivity improvement in 2H24 and what are we going to say?
What are going to say when the board asks for that 30%?

When the market is in a state of confusion and things are moving fast, it’s better to have a conversation than to write a guide. So I found two of the smartest people I know and asked them to join me on a panel:

  • Alice de Courcy, CMO of Cognism, an amazing company that’s doing some of the best solutions-oriented and thought-leadership (aka “demand generation“) marketing in Europe. Alice is also the author of Diary of First-Time CMO.
  • Firaas Rasheed, founder and CEO of Hook, a company that’s re-inventing customer success software. Firaas argues that CS software lost the plot and ended up more focused on process (e.g., QBRs and NPS surveys) than on results (e.g., churn prediction and prevention). The company’s origin story is quite compelling and told here.

After a I did brief introduction to set the stage, we focused on four high-level questions that GTM leaders are pondering:

  • What should I make of all the AI tools flooding the market?
  • What should my strategy be?
  • What are my higher-ups expecting?
  • Where should I start?

Thanks again to Alice and Firaas for joining me, and thanks to everyone who attended. The slides are available in PDF here and are embedded below. Balderton is writing up a summary of the event that, once available, I’ll link to here.

Note: both Cognism and Hook at Balderton portfolio companies.

Join Me for a Chat with Nick Mehta: How To Prevent Your Customer Success Team from Getting the Axe

Just a quick post to invite people to join a chat that I’m having with my old friend Nick Mehta from GainSight in just a few days — on Thursday, February 22nd at 1:00 PM Pacific time — entitled How to Prevent Your Customer Success Team from Getting the Axe.

The event came as a result of Nick reading this Kellblog post, The One Question to Ask Before You Blow Up Your Customer Success Team, which led to a conversation about it. At some point Nick asked, wouldn’t this be an interesting conversation for everyone? And thus, the event was born.

Expect it to be informal (no slides), conversational, and interactive because I know Nick wants to get questions from the crowd. More than anything, expect us to simultaneously address a serious and timely topic for C-level and Customer Success leaders, and to nevertheless have some fun while doing it.

I hope to see you there!